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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby Kenro » Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:39 pm

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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby jwillis » Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:05 am

Like Gino said, looking at the profile of that bow, it looks like it would go high 180s to 190 with WTT specs and testing criteria. I'll have to see it to believe it can be any faster than this. If I were considering buying this bow purely based on speed, then the casual testing procedures shown in the videos did not accomplish that for me. Jim
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby Hornseeker » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:02 pm

What model is it? A buddy just bought "the patriot"...

I "care" what other guys bows are doing.. i think its cool.. if they beat me, I care... If I win, I care.. .its not a bad thing to "care".. :D
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby str8shooter » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:46 pm

Gino, good point about who's making the claims. I think people are jumping on Belcher some and he may not even be making claims. Could just be people getting excited and tellin' the news.

Reminds me of a bow I bought a few years ago. I purchased it through a dealer of the bowyer. This dealer just raved about the performance, especially with the bowyers addition of carbon, and how it was faster than anything else. Gave me numbers, draw weight, arrow weight. I think it was claimed the bow would do 215+ AMO by the dealer, according to his tests. Well, that wasn't even close. I spoke with the bowyer and he had was pissed because his tests showed it to be just shy of 200 AMO. The dealer, excited and with good intentions, just ran informal tests and made some claims without solid criteria. I didn't care because I didn't buy the bow for a number. If I had I would've been disappointed.

I think it looks like a solid design. I met Belcher at a show and he seems like a very knowledgeable and honest guy. I hope he does send one in to WTTIII. Not because I want to see it fail or suceed but because it lets people know what his design can do with impartial testers. I'd rather buy a bow knowing what it can do at a set standard than one that claims numbers with unknown standards.
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby jwillis » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:38 pm

Good points, Str8thshooter. Another way to look at it is this...if its as good as the videos make it out to be, I'd think that Belcher would WANT to get it tested everywhere bows are tested! Jim
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby Kenro » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:27 pm

str8shooter wrote:Gino, good point about who's making the claims. I think people are jumping on Belcher some and he may not even be making claims. Could just be people getting excited and tellin' the news.

Was that Jim Belcher in those shooting videos shooting thru the crono? I dont know what he looks like but I thought it was by the beginning of the videos when it showed his logo ad. I know one things fer sure the man can shoot! I saw the one where he shot some or all of his bows at the 3d targets and the ball rolling. Damb good shot!! No mistaking that on videos.
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby jwillis » Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:15 pm

Ken, I'm pretty sure it is Jim Belcher shooting the bows in the vids. It's the same guy pictured in the "about Jim Belcher bows" article in the Bowyer's Journal a few issues ago. Jim
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby str8shooter » Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:56 pm

Yeah, it is Jim shooting his bow. He does look like a very good shot in the video.

I'm thinking of going to the Madison Deer and Turkey Expo in April. Last year he was there. If he is there I'll definitely take time to talk with Jim and shoot the bow. I shot the tiny 50" recurve and Longhorn last year and he can build a bow. The 50" recurve he made was insanely good for its size. He knows what makes bows work, maybe he hit all the high notes with this one, maybe not. Only time will tell...
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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby Ibex » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:04 am

I just realised that "Stew" sells Belcher bows in his archery shop. If he mentioned that earlier I missed it. ;)



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Re: Another claim of grounbreaking speed

Postby badger5149 » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:52 am

I think from a mathematical standpoint a recurve should hit it's peak at close to about 208 fps, an r/d bow around 202 fps and a straightbow at about 192. Shooting 10 grain arrows and 10 strand fast flight. I tend to think the bow is the real deal, but would be nice to see an official test. Steve
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